Insurance, Insurance, Insurance! Who Needs Insurance? You! Many bright consumers can become confused when it comes time to purchase insurance policies. Here is a brief guide to help you when you are shopping for auto insurance for you and your family. Your auto policy may include six coverages. First, auto insurance policies may contain…

Colorado Workers’ Compensation Lawyers, Bachus & Schanker, provide this infographic showing the state by state comparison of workers comp laws.

  Social Security Benefits Often Denied If you are disabled and have been unable to work for at least a year, you may be eligible for Social Security Disability benefits if you have worked long enough and paid Social Security taxes during your years of employment. Unfortunately, what many Coloradans have discovered is that determining…

Learn more about the Colorado Victims Rights Act Being the victim of a crime disrupts life and can leave you feeling alone, hollow and vulnerable. Depending on the severity of the crime and the damage done or loss inflicted, it can take from a few months to a lifetime to recover your footing and feel…

  9 Safety Tips for Sharing the Road with Trucks According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, there are nearly 400,000 crashes involving large trucks each year in the United States. These annually cause nearly 5,000 fatalities. Because studies have shown that nearly 70 percent of these crashes are caused by the actions of drivers…

Teenage Car Accident Statistics Teen Drivers: The Risks & Dangers Teenagers face increased risks and dangers over other drivers. Teenagers between the ages of 16 and 19 are 4 times more likely to get into accidents while driving than the average adult. The younger they are, the more at risk they are – 16-year-olds are…

Semi Truck Crash Statistics Brake Failure and Tractor Trailer Accidents In 2008, large commercial trucks accounted for 4% of registered vehicles, and 8% of all miles travelled in the US. However, 11% of fatal motor vehicle crashes involved large trucks. One of the leading causes of semi truck accidents is brake problems. 29% of truck…

Seven Things You Can Do to Avoid a Deadly Rollover Accident A rollover crash – where a vehicle rolls onto its side or roof – often leads to serious injury. Many times such accidents result in ejection of passengers, which frequently results in death. According to findings of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, rollovers…

  New Location for ‘s Denver Personal Injury Law Firm Bachus & Schanker is pleased to announce that the Denver office is moving to a new space at 1899 Wynkoop Street, Suite 700. The office has an entire floor of the 400,000 square foot building near Union Station in Lower Downtown. The Denver office of…

Welcome Charles Crispell, Our New Associate Attorney is pleased to welcome new associate attorney Charles “Chuck” Crispell to the firm. With his background in Insurance defense with some of the major insurance companies, Mr. Crispell is a natural fit at . His many years of experience as a Senior Trial Attorney is a great asset…

  Important Strategies for Dealing with a Motor Vehicle Accident Each year, millions of people are injured in motor vehicle collisions. In 2004 there were 6.2 million police-reported motor vehicle crashes and more than 9,000 people died in rollover crashes according to the National Highway Transportation Board. In order to protect yourself and your family,…

Motorcycle Injuries & Motorcycle Accident Statistics In 2006, per mile traveled, a motorcyclist was approximately 37 times more likely to die in a crash than someone riding in a passenger car! It is vital that motorcyclists understand the body injuries they can sustain in a Motorcycle Crash and how to best protect themselves from injury.…

The 10 Most Hazardous Jobs in America Over the decade ending in 2010, fatalities on the job decreased by some 23 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In 2010, 4,547 workers died while on the job, which seems like a lot until you realize that in 2000 there were 5,915 work-related fatalities. Despite…

supports Colorado MADD Law Enforcement Recognition Dinner On September 12, 2012, MADD Colorado and its youth volunteers honored top law enforcement officers, prosecutors, victim advocates, judges, traffic safety advocates, and agencies statewide with a special dinner and awards presentation. The event was held at Mile High Station in Denver and included a keynote presentation by…

MADD Colorado Honors Law Enforcement for Fight Against Drunk Driving MADD Colorado recently hosted its 2011 Law Enforcement Recognition. This dinner event honored 200 of the top law enforcement officers in Colorado at Mile High Station in Denver. The featured keynote speaker was Colorado State Attorney General John Suthers. is the 2011 Statewide Sponsor of…

Renews Colorado statewide Sponsorship of MADD Bachus & Shanker is pleased to continue its commitment to Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD) in 2012 by again serving as the organization’s statewide sponsor. The attorneys of Bachus & Shanker have extensive experience working with the victims of drunk drivers and with victims’ families. We are well familiar…

Walk Like MADD Hosts Bowling Kick-Off to Strike Out Drunk Drivers Friends of Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD) joined together on March 23, 2013, for the bowling kick-off event benefitting the 2013 Walk Like MADD campaign. , a long-time supporter of the walk and the MADD organization, was pleased to take part in the kick-off,…

join Leukemia & Lymphoma 5k Walk On Thursday, September 25, 2008, beneath a beautiful Colorado night-time sky, the employees of Bachus & Schanker joined hundreds of others in the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society’s Light the Night 5k walk around Denver’s Washington Park. The group rallied in support of one of our own, Dan Patterson, who…

LEAD Impairment Driving for Colorado Law Enforcement Officers On September 24, 2012, again sponsored the LEAD Impairment Driving for Colorado Law Enforcement Officers event in Denver. The conference, which is mandatory training for all Colorado DUI instructors and Drug Recognition Experts, provided education and community networked solutions in the area of detection and prevention of…

Keeping it Real High School TV Show Hosted by Colorado Injury Law Firm Recently, hosted Keeping It Real, a TV show geared towards local high school students and their families, at our Denver law office. Our segment focused on topics of interest to teens such as a Nuggets Basketball camp, the Robotics club, a local…

Justice and Mercy Legal Aid Clinic Helped by Annual Fundraiser The Bachus and Shanker Cares Foundation hosted its annual Joy of Giving Benefit to raise funds in support of the Justice and Mercy Legal Aid Clinic (JAMLAC). The event, held on December 2, 2011 at the offices of Bachus and Shanker drew 120 attendees, which…

Attorney Jeffrey Dean Joins the Colorado Personal Injury Firm is pleased to welcome Jeffrey F. Dean to the firm as an Associate Attorney. Mr. Dean is an experienced trial lawyer and has litigated Personal Injury and Auto Accident cases in Colorado, Minnesota, Nebraska and Wyoming. A Fort Collins resident, Mr. Dean is a former insurance…

  Celebrate the Joy of Giving Free Legal Services On Friday, December 5, the Joy of Giving Reception, hosted by Denver law firm at their office on Wynkoop, achieved a milestone, raising $18,565 for JAMLAC (Justice and Mercy Legal Aid Clinic); a more than 50 percent increase over the previous year. Guests mingled, hovered over…

Colorado Joy of Giving Benefits JAMLAC This year the Cares Foundation will again host its annual Joy of Giving Benefit to raise funds in support of the Justice and Mercy Legal Aid Clinic (JAMLAC). The event is planned for Friday, November 30, 2012 and will be held at the offices of Bachus & Schanker. Last…

Donations to JAMLAC Helped by Joy of Giving Event The November 30, 2012, Joy of Giving Dessert Reception to benefit the Justice and Mercy Legal Aid Clinic (JAMLAC) was a resounding success again this year. Nearly 100 men and women from the business community joined employees of Bachus & Schanker at their offices to partake…

“Rights of the Injured” Seminar Taught by Kyle Bachus On Monday, March 17, 2008, J. Kyle Bachus was delighted to volunteer his time and teach a seminar on “The Rights of the Injured” through Colorado Free University. This well-received seminar is just one of a series presented by Colorado Trial Lawyers Association (CTLA). CTLA is…

Ignition Interlock Laws Needed to Help Combat Traffic Fatalies In the first six months of 2012, traffic fatalities nationwide increased nine percent compared to figures for the same time period in the previous year. This is the largest percentage increase for a half-year period on record. The cause of the increased fatalities has not been…

Prevent Accidents with Safe Holiday Driving The holidays are a busy time as we spend time with family and friends. Statistics show that the 35 days between Thanksgiving and New Years is the busiest long-distance-travel period of the year. Many drivers travel 50 miles or more away from their hometown – more than any other…

Helps Build a Home Bachus & Shanker had a great day at the Habitat for Humanity site in Denver, Colorado on June 4th. Although it can be difficult to rearrange our already busy schedules to accommodate being out of the office for an entire day, the rewards were well worth the effort! Our group of…

  Cares Foundation Featured Partner: Home Builders Foundation of Metro Denver Every month, and our Cares Foundation will feature a nonprofit partner we support in its mission to improve local communities and bring people together for the greater good. This month’s featured partner is the Home Builders Foundation of Metro Denver (HBF). Established in 1993,…

Auto Insurance Basics with Darin Schanker & Haystack Video Get the Flash Player to see this video. See other videos related to auto insurance issues Darin Schanker, a founding partner at recently spoke on CBS 4’s Haystack Colorado about auto insurance basics. Mr. Schanker explained the importance of evaluating your auto Insurance to make sure…

Tips for Halloween Safety Using safety tips and some common sense can help you make the most of your Halloween season. According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, the most common injuries on Halloween have nothing to do with candy! Instead, many children visit the hospital for eye injuries, burns, and collisions with cars.…

GOALS scholarship recipients gain confidence and learn about conservation The Cares Foundation provided 23 scholarships for Class I participants with GOALS (Get Out and Learn Something). The mission of GOALS is to “inspire exploration in youth through multi-day wilderness river programs.” This summer through the donation from the Foundation, middle school students from Evergreen, Fort…

Team Bachus Raises $2305 for the March of Dimes On Saturday, April 26, Team Bachus raised $2305 for the March of Dimes annual fundraising event, March for Babies. The team, comprised of 20 walkers and 3 dogs, braved blustery temperatures and even snow showers to support this event which is dear to the Bachus family.…

  Committed to Fair Employee Compensation Employees and employers alike are often confused by the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), and specifically who is eligible for overtime pay. The attorneys at are committed to protecting employees’ right to receive the wages and overtime pay they are due. Some employers are under the misconception that employees…

Protect Yourself from Electrical Dangers Around your Home Electricity is vital to our life today. We use it to heat our homes, cook our food, and even power our computers and televisions, which connect us to our world in thousands of different ways. However, as vital as electrical power is to our life today, it…

  Elder Abuse & Nursing Home Abuse Statistics In 2007, 1.3 million elderly people lived in nursing homes. That same year, there were nearly 20 complaints of abuse reported per nursing home! It is critical – as the older population in the US increases – that families and friends of the elderly be aware of…

Consumer Product Safety Commission Bans Drop-Side Cribs View the CPSC Guideon Crib Safety (PDF) One of the most important decisions for new parents is picking out a crib for their newborn. On June 28, 2011, the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) passed stricter requirements for all new cribs in the US. One of the most…

Dolls for Daughters Toy Giveaway Benefits More than 3,000 Colorado Children in 2012 is proud to support the third annual Dolls for Daughters and Toys for Boys Toy Shop that was held on December 8 at the Stanley British Primary School Gym. The event was free and open to families in need of assistance in…

2nd Annual Dolls for Daughters Golf Invitational Dolls for Daughters hosted its 2nd Annual Invitational Scramble Golf Tournament on July 27, 2012 and again sponsored a team of players for the event. This year the tourney raised $18,000 for needy children, which is $5,000 more than was raised last year at the inaugural tournament. Jessica…

Dolls for Daughters Featured on CBS Evening News Colorado Charity Donates more than 4,000 Toys to Needy Children In its fourth year, Dolls for Daughters, a Cares Foundation Charity, quadrupled the number of toys given away for needy children in Colorado. Founded by Jessica Bachus, wife of firm found Kyle Bachus, Dolls for Daughters gave…

23,000 Christmas Toys Given to Needy Colorado Children by Dolls for Daughters The December 8, 2012, Dolls for Daughters event was a resounding success, achieving the highest participation and delivering more gifts to children than ever before in its history. This year a total of 3,000 Colorado families were helped. Literally thousands of Coloradans lined…

Cares Sponsors Dolls for Daughters Bowl-a-Thon On Mother’s Day, May 12, 2012, will sponsor the 4th annual Dolls for Daughters Bowl a Thon to be held from 12 pm – 3 pm at Elitch Lanes in Denver. The cost to attend is $20 per person, $10 of which is tax deductible. The event, presented by…

Annual Golf Invitational Benefitting Colorado Dolls for Daughters & Kenzi’s Kidz On July 27, 2012, Dolls for Daughters and Kenzi’s Kidz will host their Invitational Scramble Golf Tournament at The Ridge at Castle Pines North. The event is presented by Balfour Beatty Rail, Incorporated. serves as an annual corporate sponsor for the organization and will…

  Drivers Distracted by Cell Phones Increase Accidents In our fast-paced world, there are more and more distractions for drivers on the road. According to CTIA – The Wireless Association there were 293 million wireless cell phone subscribers as of June 2010 in the US. This has increased 51% from 194 million in June 2005.…

Dolls for Daughters Toy Drive 2010 With the Christmas Season just around the corner, Dolls for Daughters and Toys for Boys is collecting dolls and toys for little girls and boys whose Christmas this year may not be so bright. Jessica Bachus created Dolls for Daughters in December 2007 in memory of her daughter, who…

Johnson & Johnson Ordered To Pay $8.3 Million To Plaintiff In First DePuy ASR Lawsuit To Go To Trial A Los Angeles jury Friday awarded $338,136.12 in medical expenses and $8 million for pain and suffering to plaintiff Loren Kransky after a six-week trial, saying Johnson & Johnson defectively designed their ASR implant. After receiving…

A toy drive for needy Denver families will be held at the Park Hill United Methodist Church Saturday, December 20, 2008

Denver Street School Experiences “Day at Office” On Wednesday, October 8th hosted two students from the Denver Street School to experience a “typical day at the office” at a law firm. After spending time with founding partner Kyle Bachus, the two teenagers learned how a law firm operates and the doors that will open up…

to help out Habitat for Humanity. On Wednesday, June 4, 15 volunteers from are scheduled to participate in Habitat for Humanity’s workday in central Denver. Several employees participated in a project last year, and at their urging, the firm decided to carry on the tradition and have almost doubled our anticipated employee turnout for this…

  Bachus Presents at CTLA Convention 2010 Mr. J. Kyle Bachus, founding partner at , is a leader in Colorado for both Personal Injury and Auto Litigation. Mr. Bachus was re-elected for his eight term on the Board of Directors for the Colorado Trial Lawyers Association (CTLA). He is also the Co-Chair of the Auto-Litigation…

National Center for State Courts Publishes Court Stateload Statistics The National Center for State Courts recently published the latest edition of its report “Examining the Work of State Courts: An Analysis of 2010 State Court Caseloads.”1 While the 50-page document contained a host of research into the make-up the various courts’ caseloads, because the focus…

  Getting Through the First 60 Days After the Loss of a Loved One   Long-term adjustment to the loss of a loved one through an accident is a slow and painful process about which much as been written. However, for many people living through the early days immediately after a tragedy can be especially…

The Credo: Our Values A credo is “any formal or authorized statement of beliefs, principles, or opinions.” It comes from the Latin for “I believe”. has crafted a new company credo to embody its values and beliefs. Members of the staff helped to create this statement and we are excited to use this as a…

2010 Colorado Tort Law Update On Wednesday, October 20th, Mr. Kyle Bachus and Mr. Darin Schanker, founding partners of presented at the 2010 Tort Law Update put on by the Colorado Bar Association. Both litigators and non-litigators attended the annual program to gain insight for the faculty of expert tort law attorneys. Mr. Kyle Bachus…

Holiday Outreach to Needy Colorado Families For the third consecutive year, will again partner with the SHARE Basket Project to provide food to needy families in the community this November. In addition to making a financial contribution to the project, employees will assist in packing gift boxes for distribution. Typically, families receive a large laundry…

  Medical Pay Mandatory in Colorado On All Auto Insurance Policies After Jan. 2009 A new Colorado MedPay law, Senate Bill 11 (PDF), has come into effect as of January 1, 2009. The bill helps protect drivers needing medical attention following an Auto Accident. The bill makes limited medical coverage mandatory for auto insurance policy…

Habitat for Humanity house Built by On August 9, 2012, a group of 10 employees replaced business suits with work clothes and joined Habitat for Humanity in constructing a house for hardworking local people in need of decent, affordable housing. The men from the Bachus & Schanker team helped shingle a shed roof, built shelves…

Fatalities in Colorado Car Crashes Involving DUI: 2009 Statistics recently performed an analysis of statistics compiled by The Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT) and The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). Information about drunk driving fatalities was collected, and revealed certain trends – some heartening, some alarming – within the 63 counties that comprise Colorado.…

Supports Colorado Shops for Kids Colorado Children’s Campaign will hold its 2013 Colorado Shops for Kids fundraising initiative from May 1 – May 14, 2013. This year will serve as the event’s title sponsor. Participants in the program purchase books of vouchers offering incredible savings at Colorado’s most fashionable retailers and renowned shopping districts. The…

Kyle Bachus Defends Court’s Collateral Source Decision in Point/Counterpoint Discussion Recently Kyle Bachus, founding partner of , was called upon to defend his position in support of recent Colorado Supreme Court decision regarding the collateral source rule. Stating his position in juxtaposition to that of attorney Heather Salg, Mr. Bachus clearly explains why he believes…

Sponsors Cinco Cinco Scholarship Run When participants took to the streets of Fort Collins for the 2013 Cinco Cinco 5K Scholarship Run/Walk on May 4, 2013, had the honor of serving as the presenting sponsor for the event, which is now in its nineteenth year. The event draws nearly 300 participants each year, including serious…

attorney part of legal team working on Chipotle Fair Labor Standards Act case is part of a U.S. legal team working with individuals in Colorado and Minnesota to bring legal suit against Chipotle Mexican Grill, Inc. for allegedly violating the Fair Labor Standards Act. The plaintiffs, who currently or previously worked for Chipotle, allege the…

Associate Morgan Carroll Elected President of Colorado Senate Morgan Carroll, a member of the Colorado State Senate and associate attorney at was elected president of the state Senate. In an interview with Law Week Colorado, Carroll detailed her interest in advocacy for the injured and her family history that influenced her legal career. Click here…

Cares Foundation Spotlight Dolls for Daughters Every month, and our Cares Foundation feature a nonprofit partner we support in its mission to improve local communities and bring people together for the greater good. This month’s featured partner is Dolls for Daughters (DFD). Established in 2007, Dolls for Daughters provides toys for both boys and girls…

Cares Foundation 2009 in Review How We Help The Cares Foundation was created in January of 2009 to support founding partners, J. Kyle Bachus and Darin L. Schanker’s belief in giving back to the local Denver, Colorado community. As a personal injury firm that has seen the devastation that an injury or illness can inflict…

Labor & Employment Law Practice Group Headed by Colleen Calandra ‘s passion for justice is built on strong leadership, and that continues with the Colorado law firm’s newest attorney, Colleen T. Calandra. Colleen now leads the firm’s Labor and Employment Law practice group and specializes in the areas of Age Discrimination, Disability Discrimination, Employee Benefits,…

  Kyle Bachus Interview on Personal Injury Legal Issues Kyle Bachus was recently interviewed by the Business Leader Spotlight Show, an online radio show that is syndicated to more than 1.5-million listeners. The “Business Leader Spotlight” show’s goal is to take topics that are of general interest to the public and provide useful information on…

Kyle Bachus Featured Lecturer at Blockbuster Auto Seminar On Friday, January 22, 2010, J. Kyle Bachus, founding partner of will be a featured lecturer at the Colorado Trial Lawyers Association’s (CTLA) Blockbuster Auto Seminar. This annual two-day event is to be held in Centennial, Colorado and features high-profile speakers from the legal and medical community…

  Cares Foundation sponsors Blitz Build and provides volunteers to empower disabled homeowners Our Cares Foundation team joined volunteers in late August to build 16 ramps that spanned a combined 3 miles during the Home Builders Foundation’s Fourth Annual Blitz Build. The much-needed free ramps bring independence to disabled people in metro Denver who didn’t…

  Bidz 4 Kidz Auction Sponsored by was pleased to sponsor the annual Dolls for Daughters Bidz 4 Kidz auction. The 2014 auction raised a record $27,000, all of which goes to needy children in Colorado. Founded by Jessica Bachus, the wife of firm founding partner Kyle Bachus, Dolls for Daughter’s sponsors a toy drive…

  Ride Safely: Bicycle Safety Tips for Colorado Summer According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), each year more than 500,000 people in the U.S. are treated in emergency rooms for bicycle-related injuries and more than 700 die. Over half of the injuries are to children ages 15 and under. Teaching your…

Goes Green In an effort to reduce the impact of electronic waste to our landfills and our environment, recently sponsored an electronic waste collection effort. When you consider 65 million PCs become obsolete and 130 million cell phones are discarded every year, it’s no wonder E-waste is growing at a rate 3 times faster than…

Bachus Named Among Top 500 Plaintiffs’ Attorneys in America by Lawdragon shareholder, Kyle Bachus has been named by Lawdragon to the publication’s Lawdragon 500 Leading Plaintiffs’ Lawyers in America. Bachus’ profile is included online at www.lawdragon.com and will be in the magazine’s Winter 2007 issue, available later this month. The Lawdragon 500 Leading Plaintiffs’ Lawyers…

Kyle Bachus Chairs “Crash Course in Legal Education” Seminar J. Kyle Bachus, founding partner of has a long history of speaking at continuing education seminars for other personal injury attorneys in the state of Colorado. His expertise recently garnered an invitation from the Colorado Bar Association (CBA) to chair the “Crash Course in Motor Vehicle…

9 tested approaches which help moms and dads avoid the undetectable dangers that keep children unsafe Do you know how to distinguish the “Musts” from the “Shoulds” for your newborn safety equipment? Maybe you have made your list? Here are the actual baby-proofing items that should be at the must-have tippy top. I understand that…

Colorado Avanza Supermarkets Nash Finch, a fortune 500 company, owns Avanza Supermarkets in Colorado. Nash Finch instituted a practice in the Avanza stores of charging 10% more at the register than the marked prices on both advertisements and posted shelf prices. All prices noted “A Great Way to Save – Plus 10% at the register.”…

FDA to Review Safety Issues with the Drug Avandia The diabetes drug Avandia is under intense scrutiny by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) because of its link to heart-related deaths, heart attacks and other severe health risks. The county of Santa Clara, California, recently filed suit against Avandia’s manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, after a US Senate…

Medical Pay Now Mandatory On Colorado Auto Insurance Policies New Colorado Law Makes Med Pay Mandatory On All Auto Insurance Policies Issued Or Renewed After January 1, 2009 A new MedPay law, Senate Bill 11, has come into effect as of January 1, 2009. The bill helps protect drivers needing medical attention following an auto…

Arbitration Fairness Act Protects Consumers, Employees, Says Bachus founding partner, J. Kyle Bachus was recently interviewed by Matt Masich for a story in Law Week Colorado (PDF article) on the Arbitration Fairness Act 2009, which prohibits mandatory arbitration clauses in consumer, employment and franchise contracts. “Americans should not be compelled by these mega-corporations to give…

Kyle Bachus Addresses Colorado Bar Association Seminar On September 28, 2012, founding partner, Kyle Bachus addressed Colorado lawyers as part of the Annual Tort Law Update 2012 seminar, sponsored by the Colorado Bar Association’s CLE division. Mr. Bachus spoke on the topic of Subrogation Law. The focus of his presentation was implementation of Colorado HB…

Here is the news title Eighteen year-old Anna Pryor’s life was cut short on September 23, 2006 as a result of a tragic car accident. Anna was with an abusive, eighteen year-old boyfriend with whom she was trying to end the relationship. Her boyfriend began driving her car more than 100 miles per hour while…

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Playing with Safety: Dangerous Toys and the Role of America’s Civil Justice System All parents strive to keep their children safe – but there is danger in toys that have had seen increased risk. According to the American Association of Justice (AAJ) article on the subject, “between 2004 and 2008, toy-related injuries increased 12 percent,…

Trial Lawyers and Litigation Help Make Cars Safer A new report by the American Association for Justice (AAJ) shows that litigation is an important part of car safety improvements. The civic justice system has played in role in safer gas tanks, power windows, car seats, and door latches, to name a few. Litigation has spurred…

How to Be Safe on the 10 Deadliest Days on the Road The American Safety Council recognizes ten days as the most deadly on America’s roads. These days include: 1. July 4 2. July 3 3. December 23 4. August 3 5. January 1 6. August 6 7. August 4 8. August 12 9. July…